It takes some grit, self belief and copious amounts of love for
music to start out over seven years ago with passion combined
with raw music and seven years later to remain true to what you
do and believe. So much has changed in that period of time, New
Labour were even popular back then and, most bands around have
tried a multitude of different things to stay in the public eye,
or to get there in the first place.
This is why it is important to take time out and listen to bands
like Red Mojo and what they have to say, as they
are immutable evidence that honesty and music are not estranged
in the same way that originality and television are in this modern
era. 60% of Warrington’s bold and authentic rockers; singer
and lyricist Lee (Lenn) Leonard, guitarist Mike
York and bassist Pete Kenny kindly agreed
to sprinkle some honesty and insight into our lives, as they openly
dissect a range of topics with their cutting wit and endearing
openness.
1. It is currently a time for reflection. Describe what 2004 has
been like for you guys and what were your aims at the start of
it, have you achieved them?
Lenn: Well, as with every year, you say to yourself
this is the year we’re gonna do it. Obviously we haven’t
signed a deal yet, but we’ve played with some more signed
groups, written quite a lot of great material and we managed to
stay together through some rough spells. So I guess we’ve
done well.
Pete: 2004, as far as have we got a deal, is Sony interested
in our shit, then we haven’t really achieved much, but we
have achieved a mindset, how we communicate with each other, musically
and otherwise has improved so much this year. We’re all
kind of in the same place mentally and musically.
Mike: Good, Bad, Indifferent, I think progression is
the main point, we’ve kind of got through a few things that
were getting to us and we’re making good music again, not
that we’ve been making bad music its less that’ll
do and more that sounds good. Only the best quality here.
2. Your sound can be described as combining the rawness
of early days The Rolling Stones with the convincing belief and
tightness of The Music and the ripping nature of AC/DC, as is
aptly demonstrated in ‘Stix N Stones’ ‘When
Your Not Around’. What is the story behind these numbers
and please give us an insight into the song writing process for
Red Mojo using these two nifty numbers as examples?
Lenn: Hmmm, well, eeerrm. Both these tracks were written
in that classic writing style, Mike got his guitar and I sat down
with some words I’d been working on and a short time later
we had the basics ready. After that we take the bones to the band
and they flesh them up and give them life. Stix N Stones, is about
being frustrated in a previous relationship and how it had gone
on longer than perhaps it should. ‘When You’re Not
Around’ is a new track about what’s going on now,
It’s a release track for me.
Pete: It’s always nice being compared to professionals,
but we just sound how we sound. I can’t really explain it,
I suppose we trust ourselves and each other. We all like good
music, so we all sort of know what will work and what won’t.
If it sounds shit it’s not going in, simple as that.
As for the song writing process, some songs just come together,
whilst some take a bit more work. Me and Andy have always jammed
with each other, sometimes we come up with tunes then present
them to the band and they put their own parts in, as I said we
trust each other to come up with decent music. So we have different
methods of coming up with music. Variety is, after all, the spice
of life.
Mike: “When Your Not Around” has a very
personal feel to me, this isn’t to do with when or how we
wrote it, just things happened and the song took on a new meaning,
plus the tension builds so well at the end with the monster keyboard
riff and the bass, changing the tonality of the whole piece.
3. I have witnessed two of your live shows one recently
and the other four years ago. I was imminently impressed by the
way you have not compromised your sound, style and authenticity
at all to fit in with the fads of the music industry. How hard
has it been to stay true to your roots and do you find the music
business frustrating in the way that fads and fashions appear
to rule the day?
Lenn: Its not hard staying true to your roots. I listened
to the message they were trying to get across and I heard it,
then I believed it, then it became part of me. This kind of stuff
happens all the time, additions to the soul come from fucking
everywhere. If its got no souls, then it wont add to your soul
I suppose. The changing fads and ‘produced’ trash
are killing the world of its heart – its just fucking wrong.
Take ‘Westlife’ or ‘Blue’, yeah they sell
a million records and are loaded because of it, but when you listen
to them sing the words, do you believe them? You cant, because
the song was written by some guy that works for a publisher far
far away who is getting paid a mint to write something that under
12’s want mummy and daddy to buy them. The legends of tomorrow
seem a million miles away from the Lennon’s, Clapton’s,
Joplin’s and Bowie’s etc that shine from our yesterdays.
The problem is, is that bands like these have been pushed to the
fore for so long that people seem to have lost track of what ‘music’
is supposed to be about, I think. Yes, the music business is frustrating.
Pete: We’ve been in this band 5 years, if we were
trying to sound like what was fashionable all the time we’d
be constantly changing our sound we’d have gone from Britpop
to garage rock to Britpop again. We just try to be true to ourselves
and what we feel at the time. Obviously looking back, not every
decision or song was the best, but if we felt it at the time,
then who are we to argue with ourselves. If you sound like the
fads and fashions you’ll only last as long as that fad.
If you sound like yourselves, however you’ll last as long
as your creative thoughts and expressions allow.
And yes, the music business is frustrating, but it will always
be there. The key for me is to be in it on the edge, not get sucked
into all this celebrity bullshit. We want ultimate control over
what we do, no compromises, that’s not to say we aren’t
open to other peoples ideas but if we don’t believe it,
it’s gonna sound fake.
Mike: The money would be nice, but I don’t think
we could get up on a stage and act out songs, its just what comes
out.
4. On the topic of your live shows, your live set sometimes
culminates with the ripping ‘Suddenly Unexpected Man’
incorporating the chorus from the Super Furry Animals number;
‘The Man Don’t Give A Fuck’. What is the story
behind that number and is singing it cathartic for you, as it
is quite an angry little piece?
Lenn: I can’t really go too deeply into its meanings
that would take away all its mystery. Basically, it’s a
shout at all the ‘everyday rock stars’ that come and
go so frequently, you know the unsigned guys with big ego’s
and no talent. It’s about backstabbing and jealousy, my
doubters and obviously fakers that play at it but don’t
believe. The whole thing with band music (for me) is that its
too much fucking hard work to fake it, its either real to you
or it isn’t. ‘Suddenly Unexpected Man’ gave
me an opportunity to release and the rest of the band didn’t
mind.
Pete: I can’t really add anything to that apart
from some bullshit that only readers of Bassist digest would give
a shit about so I’ll shut up.
Mike: Fuck it, we can all be cunts some times but some
people (you know who you are) can be really really obnoxious and
really think that they are rock stars and I think “Suddenly
Unexpected Man” puts them in their place. Your not fukin’
rock stars your not fuckin’ special and neither are we,
its just we know it and were the men that “don’t give
a FUCK”. At least we don’t fake what we’re doing.
5. How far off is a record deal for you guys, if you
don’t mind me so enquiring?
Lenn: what’s next week winning lottery ticket numbers?
I suppose if I am to play the game, like every other unsigned
band in the world, then I suppose I should say “We’re
currently in talks with Sony, but we’re not too sure about
the deal. So we think we might go for an offer we had from one
of many smaller labels that are trying to get us.” Its weird
how everyone is constantly in that position, but no-one ever gets
signed.
Pete: There is only one “deal” that would
work for us and that’s the one where someone truly believes
in what we do and would like to give us the space and time to
really express ourselves. And make some shit hot music. We all
work at the moment and come up with good shit, so we like to imagine
what we could come up with when all we have to think about is
music and lyrics, not ‘shit I forgot my lunch again’.
Mike: I don’t know can you tell me.
6. You recently opened for a The Cooper Temple Clause
DJ set in WA1 in Warrington. How was that experience for you,
did you converse with Didz and co about making music and did you
learn much from the experience?
Lenn: It was the Coopers and good. God, they are sound
lads with good taste in music. I was a little disappointed that
Didz was wearing drainpipe jeans, but it was good to learn about
the new album progress. I didn’t ask them about our stuff,
but I heard that they liked it. That’s good enough for me.
Mike: They were cool, well what I saw of them. I wasn’t
happy with my performance but everyone else was good. All I wanted
was a Guinness and it took 5 hours to get me one. They had to
roll a barrel across from the pub across the road so I could finally
be happy; it always settles your stomach out when you’ve
had a good Guinness.
7. There was a bit of local controversy surrounding the
above-mentioned gig in the WA1 Club, as there was two different
indie events in the same venue (upstairs and downstairs) that
night. This resulted in a degree of animosity towards yourselves
from other local bands and promoters. Do you have any retort to
those criticisms?
Lenn: I could say a lot but I’ll just say that
a gold fish only grows to fit the bowl it’s put into and
Oorrrr, bubsy, wubsy woo, woo, didums.
Pete: We’re used to that from some other bands,
whereas others are so friendly it’s untrue. It’s just
like having work colleagues, some you get on with others you don’t.
Mike: No Comment
8. Do you feel that the local Warrington indie scene
is in danger of decimating into a farce of backbiting, jealously
and lack of support, despite the obvious depth of talent that
exists?
Lenn: Hahahahahahahahaha, yes.
Pete: there’s definitely some good shit coming
out of Warrington, and I suppose with any scene there will always
be competition. But competition is good, without it it’s
very easy to just rest on your laurels because you’re the
only band around.
Mike: As I said before they’re not special we’re
not special, so why doesn’t everyone just get on with it
and stop being so fuckin’ petty.
9. Which of your songs sums up your current mood and
why?
Lenn: ‘Who Am I To You’ because im so up
for something different at the moment, musically that is. ‘Nobody
Else’ because its so heavy in so many different ways, its
really powerful and moves me loads, my head just floats into it,
how messed up is that?!. I guess my mood is ‘ready to explode’.
Pete: I’m always in a funk mood, funk is my bread
and butter so I’m in love with ‘Sitting on the fence’
but I also love dark and moody, almost epic DJ Shadow-esque music
so I’d have to say my current favourite is ‘Nobody
else’, plus I wrote part of it. It’s always nice to
write a song, visualize how it will sound then be completely surprised
by what the other musicians around you add to it.
10. Does your live sound differ to your sound on record?
How would you describe your live sound and how do you want to
leave people feeling after they have witnessed a Red Mojo live
show?
Lenn: I hate recording, always have. I’m really
excited about the new E.P though, we’ve changed the way
we record and the whole thing has miles better vibe and sound.
When we play live, its like thunder and when you listen to the
records we’re like, nice. I hope.
Hmmm, I hope people are like “fucking hell, how good was
that?!” but I’ll settle for “that was cool that,
I bought their E.P.” I just hope everyone thinks it’s
alright, you know.
Pete: We don’t really have a ‘recorded’
sound. In the studio, we try to emulate what we hear when we play
the song as a band. Sometimes it comes off well, other times,
not so great, although the current demo we’re working on
felt really good when we laid down the music. I do actually like
recording but sometimes it lacks the energy of a live show. I
hate overdubbing though, I like playing to the drummer, and it’s
hard to communicate with a recording. For a while we’ve
been going to clicks and loops, but this time we did it on an
almost analog vibe, no clicks, no fancy editing tricks, just playing
until we got the fuckers right. Hopefully this one will reflect
how we sound live a bit better, but there’s always one obvious
difference; you can turn the volume down on a CD.
Mike: Yeah, sometimes I’ll take the recordings
a bit too far, like put loads of guitars on and mad effects. It
all sounds good but its not really like us playing in a room and
giving out the vibe. This time we’ve gone for that sound
a little more so it’s more of a true representation of the
live side of Redmojo.
11. You have been together since 1997 what has been your
fondest memory since your inception?
Lenn: I always remember the morning after the first
time we played Warrington’s Parr Hall. The realization that
getting on a stage in front of loads of people really smashed
and just screaming down a microphone makes you look like an absolute
tone-deaf knob. Yeah, that is a funny memory, especially as I
walked off stage, marched up to my old head teacher and said “Bet
you didn’t think I could do that did you?” it was
a real turning point.
Pete: Gigs, gigs, gigs and more gigs. We feel at home
on the stage (for the most part) and that’s were we really
come into our own I’d say. My fondest memory though would
have to be going in a studio for the first time. I’ll never
forget being surrounded by all that gear and thinking, ‘yes,
this feels like home’.
Mike: Not to sure, there have been a few, after a gig
in Crew one night we drove back through Crew town center shouting
“Crew is shit, crew is shit crew is shit”. That was
quite funny going to Croydon and ending up in Dorking was good,
some festivals we’ve played were good. There’s too
many to remember.
Written by David Adair
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